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[Podcast Recap]: An Introduction to Self-Funding & Captives

By Maddison Bezdicek — Vice President, Strategic Vendor Services July 01st, 2025

In Episode 5 of Captivating Health Insights, host Maddison Bezdicek welcomes Dave Gillis, Head of Business Development for Health Solutions at Captive Resources, for a candid primer on why more employers are swapping traditional fully insured plans for self-funded health coverage and group captives. Together, they outline how taking ownership of risk—and the data that comes with it—unlocks transparency, cost control, and a collaborative community of like-minded employers.

Dave’s journey from brokerage rookie to carrier insider to captive strategist gives him a 360-degree vantage point on funding models. He explains:

  • Why “premium-only” plans hide the truth. Fully insured arrangements bundle admin fees, stop-loss, network access, and pre-funded claims into a single, opaque bill, leaving employers powerless at renewal time.
  • How stop-loss layers de-risk self-funding. Employers know their maximum exposure up front, while gaining freedom to influence the 75-80% of spend tied to claims.
  • The data dividend. Modern TPAs and analytics platforms translate raw claims into clear actions—pinpointing pharmacy overspend, high-frequency conditions, and avoidable ER visits.
  • Low-hanging savings. Switching PBMs, leveraging international drug sourcing, and re-contracting specialty meds can slash pharmacy costs 20-30% (e.g., a $300,000 therapy trimmed to ~$120).
  • Next-gen plan design. Reference-based pricing, direct provider contracts, and virtual care (primary, mental health, physical therapy) offer customizable levers for quality and affordability.
  • The captive advantage. Group captives allow employers to share catastrophic risk, benefit from potential underwriting profits, and learn about proven cost-saving strategies from peers.

Key Takeaway

Self-funding and captives offer a long-term path to greater financial control, smarter healthcare decisions, and more substantial employee benefits, without going it alone.

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